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PostSubject: Smolder   Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:36 pm

"What is sex, we don't know, but it must be some sort of fire. For it always communicates a sense of warmth, of glow. And when the glow becomes a pur shine, the we feel the sense of beauty.

But the communicating of the warmth, the glow of sex is true sex appeal. We all have the fire of sex slumbering or burning inside us. If we live to be ninety, it is still there. Or, if it dies, we become one of those ghastly living corpses which unfortunately are becoming more numerous in the world. Nothing is more ugly than a human being in whom the fire of sex has gone out. You get a nasty clayey creature whom everyone wants to avoid.

But while we are fully alive, the fire of sex smoulders or burns in us. In youth it flickers and shines, in age it grows softer and stiller, but there it is. We have some control over it; but only partial control. While ever it lives, the fire of sex, which is the source of beauty and anger, burns in us beyond our understanding. "


-- Late Essays and Articles by D.H. Lawrence (1926-1930)


Imagine the time period that Lawrence wrote these kinds of things. Shocked It must have been considered scandalous judging by his contemporaries. But here it is the month of February - the month of romance, Valentines days, hearts and flowers and most of the time sex and eroticism is but whispered. Have we changed so much since the early 1900's? I think we have but not in the way Lawrence saw life, love and sex. It is still mostly a closet subject and what interests me about D.H. Lawrence's views were that sex was more than a physical act or state. He believed that sex was about the mind and the body one inseparable from the other. Oh, where are the men like that today?

I started this thread, which I hope meets the approval of the moderators and admins, to begin a discussion on this most important aspect of our lives. This month of Valentines and hearts is about sex as much as love. We honor love I hope we can honor sex too. It is wonderful to be alive. And in love. I love you



Note: many Viggo fans are aware of D.H. Lawrence for Urgayle's reading of one of his poems in G.I. Jane -- I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself...
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PostSubject: Re: Smolder   Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:59 am

The Kiss

What can be more intimate than the kiss? It is a joining of two becoming one. The two share each others breath and more. It is the first sharing of the body in its most intimate state. It reveals so much to us the kiss strips away all our pretensions our fears and is one of the most serious acts of seduction. I like how it has been portrayed in art and in film.

“Such kisses that they must kiss each other for ever” D.H. Lawrence

Gustave Klimt's The Kiss



Auguste Rodin's Kiss (note the book in Paolo's hand)



And this hint of 'forever' in Jackson's Lord of the Rings




So beautiful, all of them. The tenderest of moments. Awakening in us our deepest longings -- as Arwen reminds Aragorn in this dream kiss. Reviving him. Breathing life into him.

How many times watching a movie and you see the couple (and in real life too) you see a psychic energy between them -- you feel it -- that they are going to kiss, that they want to kiss. I don't think it is the music surrounding the scene do you? I mean we know it will happen as do the couple. Is it the meeting of the eyes? Magic in the air?It is always in the throes of such a moment that one knows ...but after lost as a breeze on a warm summer night. And is the kiss the first act of seduction?
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PostSubject: Re: Smolder   Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:52 am

Ah yes the kiss it made me think of this by Rumi:

When soul rises
Into lips
You feel the kiss
You have wanted

Rumi




Nice idea for a thread Aithne. Very interesting about Lawrence by the way. I had no idea... Keep posting. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Smolder   Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:33 pm

Aithne: "And is the kiss the first act of seduction?"

Might the kiss be the first physical and collaborative act of seduction? And I hate to use the word 'act'. Long before the meeting of lips there's been a number of other things going on. Words, gestures, glances, breathing, scent, mirroring - more subconscious yet powerful cues. Mating rituals? The kiss can also be a turning point - one of no return or in some instances a pulling away realizing that it is not to be or not yet time.
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PostSubject: Re: Smolder   Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:59 pm

Oh yesssssssss that Rumi poem. Cool

I see what you're saying Kaladhar that the giving in to the kiss kind of lets them know they're on the same page. In terms of psychic cues you mean? Question Okay I can get into that. Cool So should we start before the kiss then? sunny
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PostSubject: Re: Smolder   Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:21 pm

Aithne wrote:




1907-08 (100 Kb); 180 x 180 cm (71 x 71 in);
Österreichisches Galerie Wien, Vienna

Man leaning over and kissing kneeling woman. All shrouded in symbolically
patterned gold. A bed of flowers below them.


Just as
Munch
can be associated with both Symbolism and
Expressionism,
so the art of the Austrian painter, Gustav Klimt (1862-1918),
is a curious and elegant synthesis of Symbolism and Art Nouveau.
The Austrians responded enthusiastically to the decorative artifice
of Art Nouveau, and Klimt is almost artifice incarnate. He painted
large ornamental friezes of allegorical scenes, and produced fashionable
portraits, uniting the stylized shapes and unnatural colors of Symbolism
with his own essentially harmonious concept of beauty.


The Kiss
is a fascinating icon of the loss of self that lovers experience.
Only the faces and hands of this couple are visible; all the rest is
great swirl of gold, studded with colored rectangles as if to express
visually the emotional and physical explosion of erotic love.

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PostSubject: Re: Smolder   Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:26 pm

Define:kiss


the act of caressing with the lips (or an instance thereof)
a cookie made of egg whites and sugar
any of several bite-sized candies
  • touch
    with the lips or press the lips (against someone's mouth or other body
    part) as an expression of love, greeting, etc.; "The newly married
    couple kissed"; "She kissed her grandfather on the forehead when she
    entered the room"
  • a light glancing touch; "there was a brief kiss of their hands in passing"
  • touch lightly or gently; "the blossoms were kissed by the soft rain"
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
  • A
    kiss (from Old English cyssan "to kiss," in turn from coss "a kiss,"
    perhaps onomatopoeic) is the touching with the lips. The scientific
    name for kissing is ''''''.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss
  • Kiss (sometimes typeset "KISS", to fit the official logo) is an American rock band formed in New York City in 1973. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss (band)
  • "Kiss" is a 1986 song by Prince and the Revolution, from the album Parade. "Kiss" started as a short acoustic demo, about a
    minute in length, with one verse and the chorus. Prince gave the song
    to the funk band Mazarati for their debut album. Mazarati and producer
    David Z. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss (song)
  • Kiss
    is the self-titled debut album from the American hard rock band Kiss.
    When it was released, on February 8, 1974, Kiss had been a band for
    little more than one year. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss (album)
  • KISS is
    an early low-level programming language on the IBM 650 business
    computer. It was listed in the Communications of the ACM 2(5):16 (May
    1959).

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS (system)
  • Kiss
    is a black-and-white photograph by Tanya Chalkin. It features two women
    lying on a bed kissing each other. It has achieved a level of
    iconography, largely due to its popularity as a poster in the college
    dorm rooms of North America.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss (photograph)
  • Kiss
    (officially K.I.S.S., as to distinguish it from the rock band), was a
    Korean pop female trio. Their first single, "여자 이니까" (Because I'm A
    Girl) was a huge hit in 2002, which can be attributed to its
    melodramatic video of the sacrifice one can make for love. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss (Korean group)
  • In
    cryptanalysis, a kiss was a term used at Bletchley Park during World
    War II for occasions when the enemy sent an identical message twice,
    once in a breakable cipher and again in an unbroken cipher. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss (cryptanalysis)
  • "Kiss (When the Sun Don't Shine)" is a single by the Vengaboys released in 2000.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss (When the Sun Don't Shine)
  • A touch or caress with the lips . See the entire definition of Kiss
    www.onhealth.com/healthy_relationships/glossary.htm
  • Keep
    It Simple Stupid refers mainly to the authoring of electronic books
    and/or development of software in which success often depends upon
    keeping the learning and usage mindlessly simple. (See also Authoring)
    www.translationdirectory.com/glossaries/glossary017_k.htm
  • An acronym for Keep It Simple, Stupid. It calls for a low-level system with no conventions, and is also called Momma-Poppa.
    homepage.mac.com/bridgeguys/KGlossary/GlossK.html
  • Ancient
    Teutons believed a kiss had great powers. At times it could place the
    recipient in a state of complete forgetfulness or could revive
    memories. ...
    alandpeters.tripod.com/knightstemplarera1188to1312/id19.html
  • This
    stands for Keep It Simple Stupid. We find this to be self explanatory
    and don't want to overcomplicate such an elegant acronym.
    www.deltagear.us/Glossary.htm
  • is a
    New York City-based heavy metal band that became famous in the mid- to
    late 1970s. Although "Heavy Metal" didn't exist when the band was
    formed in 1972 you can say that they inventeda big part of the sound and style which now belong to Heavy Metal. ...
    explanation-guide.info/meaning/KISS-(band).html
  • is
    an American glam rock/hard rock band formed in New York City in 1973.
    The group has performed and recorded continuously since their
    formation. Co-founders Gene Simmons (bass) and Paul Stanley (guitar)
    have been the two constant members throughout the band's history. ...
    www.tvwiki.tv/wiki/KISS_(band)
  • generally refers to the object ball light lightly touching another ball on its way to the pocket.
    www.ez-shot-ghost-ball.com/pool_billiards_glossary.html
  • The
    kissing of the pope's foot -- the characteristic act of reverence by
    which all the faithful do honour to him as the vicar of Christ --is
    found as early as the eighth century. We read that Emperor Justinian II
    paid this respect to Pope Constantine (708-16) (Anastasius Bibl. ...
    bible.tmtm.com/wiki/Pope,_The_(Catholic_Encyclopedia)

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    PostSubject: Re: Smolder   Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:27 pm



    Quotations about Kisses








    Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves. ~Albert Einstein


    A kiss is a lovely trick designed by nature to stop speech when words become superfluous. ~Ingrid Bergman


    A kiss
    can be a comma, a question mark or an exclamation point. That's basic
    spelling that every woman ought to know. ~Mistinguett (Jeanne
    Bourgeois), Theatre Arts, December 1955


    Is not a kiss the very autograph of love? ~Henry Finck


    A kiss, when all is said, what is it?
    A rosy dot placed on the "i" in loving;
    'Tis a secret told to the mouth instead of to the ear.
    ~Edmond Rostand


    Kissing is a means of getting two people so close together that they can't see anything wrong with each other. ~Rene Yasenek


    How did it happen that their lips came together? How does it happen
    that birds sing, that snow melts, that the rose unfolds, that the dawn
    whitens behind the stark shapes of trees on the quivering summit of the
    hill? A kiss, and all was said. ~Victor Hugo


    Soul meets soul on lovers' lips. ~Percy Bysshe Shelley, Prometheus Unbound


    A kiss that speaks volumes is seldom a first edition. ~Clare Whiting


    I am in favor of preserving the French habit of kissing ladies' hands - after all, one must start somewhere. ~Sacha Guitry


    I kissed my first girl and smoked my first cigarette on the same day. I haven't had time for tobacco since. ~Arturo Toscanini


    Give me a kisse, and to that kisse a score;
    Then to that twenty, adde a hundred more;
    A thousand to that hundred; so kisse on,
    To make that thousand up a million;
    Treble that million, and when that is done,
    Let's kisse afresh, as when we first begun.
    ~Robert Herrick, "To Anthea (III)"


    In trying to get our own way, we should remember that kisses are sweeter than whine. ~Author Unknown


    Stolen kisses require an accomplice. ~Just One Fool Thing After Another: A Cowfolks' Guide to Romance


    Always kiss your children goodnight, even if they're already asleep. ~H. Jackson Brown, Jr.


    kisses are a better fate
    than wisdom.
    ~e.e. cummings


    If you are ever in doubt as to whether to kiss a pretty girl, always give her the benefit of the doubt. ~Thomas Carlyle


    A man snatches the first kiss, pleads for the second, demands the third, takes the fourth, accepts the fifth - and endures all the rest. ~Helen Rowland


    Love's first snow-drop, virgin kiss. ~Robert Burns


    'Twas not my lips you kissed
    But my soul
    ~Judy Garland


    What of soul was left, I wonder, when the kissing had to stop? ~Robert Browning, A Toccata of Galuppi's


    Once he drew
    With one long kiss my whole soul thro'
    My lips, as sunlight drinketh dew.
    ~Alfred Lord Tennyson


    People who throw kisses are mighty hopelessly lazy. ~Bob Hope


    A kiss without a hug is like a flower without the fragrance. ~Proverb


    A kiss is just a pleasant reminder that two heads are better than one. ~Author Unknown


    Were kisses all the joys in bed,
    One woman would another wed.
    ~William Shakespeare, Sonnets to Sundry Notes of Music, IV


    What lies lurk in kisses. ~Heinrich Heine


    Happiness is like a kiss - it feels best when you give it to someone else. ~Author Unknown


    The soul that can speak through the eyes can also kiss with a gaze. ~Gustavo Adolfo Becquer











    "May I print a kiss on your lips?" I said,
    And she nodded her full permission:
    So we went to press and I rather guess
    We printed a full edition.
    ~Joseph Lilientha


    Kissing is like drinking salted water. You drink, and your thirst increases. ~Chinese Proverb


    [T]hen I did the simplest thing in the world. I leaned down... and kissed him. And the world cracked open. ~Agnes de Mille


    A kiss seals two souls for a moment in time. ~Levende Waters


    See! the mountains kiss high heaven,
    And the waves clasp one another;
    No sister flower would be forgiven
    If it disdained its brother;
    And the sunlight clasps the earth,
    And the moonbeams kiss the sea: -
    What are all these kissings worth,
    If thou kiss not me?
    ~Percy Bysshe Shelley, Love's Philosophy


    Her kisses left something to be desired... the rest of her. ~Author Unknown


    She kissed me, and my mouth wrote a poem of welcome to her lips. ~Ward Elliot Hour


    I ran up the door, opened the stairs, said my pajamas and put on my
    prayers - turned off my bed, tumbled into my light, and all because he
    kissed me good-night! ~Author Unknown


    Never a lip is curved with pain
    That can't be kissed into smile again.
    ~Brete Harte


    A kiss is the upper persuasion for a lower invasion. ~Author Unknown


    The only thing worth stealing is a kiss from a sleeping child. ~Joe Houldsworth


    Kisses kept are wasted;
    Love is to be tasted.
    There are some you love, I know;
    Be not loathe to tell them so.
    Lips go dry and eyes grow wet
    Waiting to be warmly met.
    Keep them not in waiting yet;
    Kisses kept are wasted.
    ~Edmund Vance Cooke


    Kisses are like tears, the only real ones are the ones you can't hold back. ~Author Unknown


    A kiss makes the heart young again and wipes out the years. ~Rupert Brooke


    The sound of a kiss is not so loud as that of a cannon, but its echo lasts a great deal longer. ~Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr., The Professor at the Breakfast-Table


    Lips that taste of tears, they say,
    Are the best for kissing.
    ~Dorothy Parker


    Friends are kisses blown to us by angels. ~Author Unknown


    Each kiss a heart-quake... ~Lord Byron, Don Juan


    [L]eave a kiss but in the cup,
    And I'll not look for wine.
    ~Ben Jonson, To Celia


    It takes a lot of experience for a girl to kiss like a beginner. ~Ladies Home Journal, 1948


    Her lips on his could tell him better than all her stumbling words. ~Margaret Mitchell


    Jenny kissed me when we met,
    Jumping from the chair she sat in;
    Time, you thief, who love to get
    Sweets into your list, put that in.
    Say I'm weary, say I'm sad,
    Say that health and wealth have missed me;
    Say I'm growing old, but add Jenny kissed me.
    ~Leigh Hunt, Jenny Kissed Me


    A man's kiss is his signature. ~Mae West


    We're all kissed by angels but some of us never think to pucker. ~Amethyst Snow-Rivers


    Kiss: love professed through lips. ~Scarlett Bene


    Teach not thy lip such scorn, for it was made
    For kissing, lady, not for such contempt.
    ~William Shakespeare


    When I kiss you, I can taste your soul. ~Carrie Latet


    I wasn't kissing her, I was whispering in her mouth. ~Chico Marx


    I married the first man I ever kissed. When I tell this to my children they just about throw up. ~Barbara Bush


    A man had given all other bliss,
    And all his worldly worth for this,
    To waste his whole heart in one kiss
    Upon her perfect lips.
    ~Alfred, Lord Tennyson


    Ancient lovers believed a kiss would literally unite their souls, because the spirit was said to be carried in one's breath. ~Eve Glicksman




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    PostSubject: Re: Smolder   Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:08 am

    That picture reminds of the scene in The Notebook. Former loves, Allie and Noah have been apart for many years. She is engaged to another. The chemistry is still there. In a natural setting, in the rowboat they begin to feel it rise. The sky bursts forth with heavy rain as does thier desire for each other.



    Who can forget this dream-like scene in Fellowship of the Ring - the lovers on the bridge. The bridge symbolizing a joining? The setting of the beautiful Rivendell night a romantic landscape one can but smell the forest, feel the sweet night air and the heat coursing between this man and woman. Words barely necessary.



    Going back to D.H. Lawrence for a minute I have a theory that he never felt completely satisfied with the words that he used to portray love, passion, eroticism -- finding words rarely adequate to explain what the conscious saw but what the subconscious felt.

    I read this somewhere on a blog and found it interesting:

    Quote :
    Lawrence believed that life had to be lived. He argued that instincts and intuitions are more important than the reason. "Instinct makes me run from little over-earnest ladies; instinct makes me sniff the lime blossom and reach for the darkest cherry. But it is intuition which makes me feel the uncanny glassiness of the lake this afternoon, the sulkiness of the mountains, the vividness of near green in thunder-sun, the young man in bright blue trousers lightly tossing the grass from the scythe, the elderly man in a boater stiffly shoving his scythe strokes, both of them sweating in the silence of the intense light."

    Another quote from this same study on Lawrence says:

    Quote :
    In Anais Nin’s book D.H. Lawrence, an unprofessional study, she writes, Lawrence approaches his characters not in a state of intellectual lucidity but in one of intuitional reasoning. His analysis is not one of the mind alone, but of the senses. He recognized a deep, subterranean connection between what he called the ‘dark gods’ in us, entirely apart from the sophistries of intelligence …Lawrence was patient. He gave his characters time. They are to find their own way and hour of resurrection.

    No wonder he could write such beautiful words as these:

    Quote :
    At last I can throw away world without end, and meet you
    Unsheathed and naked and narrow and white;
    At last you can throw immortality off, and I see you
    Glistening with all the moment and all your beauty.


    ( from 'Fronleichnam')

    And rain....
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    PostSubject: Re: Smolder   Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:12 am

    Quote :
    Lawrence believed in the totally spontaneous synthesis of "spiritual" and "sensual" love, indeed, but this love is not based on personalities, on anything personal, on what anyone happens to look like, or to believe, or to be.

    D.H. Lawrence quotes:

    Pornography is the attempt to insult sex, to do dirt on it.

    Sex and beauty are inseparable, like life and consciousness. And the intelligence which goes with sex and beauty, and arises out of sex and beauty, is intuition.

    The profoundest of all sensualities is the sense of truth and the next deepest sensual experience is the sense of justice.

    You don't want to love - your eternal and abnormal craving is to be loved. You aren't positive, you're negative. You absorb, absorb, as if you must fill yourself up with love, because you've got a shortage somewhere.
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